TD Phone Game Creepy? 2 Chicks Say Yes...

A lot of the rules in this game from David D» and other PUA's here are just guidelines. They can be broken. They're backwards engineered behavioural patterns of naturals. It's stuff that people of higher value do automatically. They're meant for AFC newbie guys that come into this game which help them "fake it until you make it." But, once you become an alpha, high status guy, then ANY of the rules can be broken. For example, if you have the beliefs of a guy like Rick H or Mystery, then this shit can be broken. So, you can call up a girl 10 times a day if you want and she can be laughing her ass off, and it will WORK and be OK because you're not coming from a frame of neediness. TD talks about this in the DYD» - Ask Me Anything - Meeting Women in Bars & Clubs program.

Basically, my structure for phone game is just call her up, tell her a cool story or routine (and also having a few backup routines to fallback on), then once I get her in that high state I go for the day 2 setup. When I set up the day 2, I usually offer them two different days to give them options and I have stuff prepared as backups incase they fail. I also talk about when I'm busy first, as what David D» suggests. I'll say, "hey, I'm really busy today and tomorrow, but I'm going shopping either on Tuesday or Wednesday... and you need to come with me." If they try to flake or you can sense bullshit, then you can either do 1) a phone freezeout or 2) change her state.

1) Phone Freezeout. If she says "oh well why don't you call me on that day and I'll let you know if I'm free", then you just go SILENT for a good 20 seconds. This is a phone freezeout. She will say "hello??" and you will say "hello??" and she will say "hello??" and you will say "yeah, so Tuesday at xxx"

2) Change her state. Remember, TD talks about change her mood, not her mind. So, if you're going to venue change or set up a day 2 and she says "no I can't", then you don't even acknowledge it. Don't say "c'mon please!!" or try to beg for it, just say "okay cool... get this blah blah" and then say "so come on, let's go!" and it will work.

Remember, every # is an opportunity to practice phone game. Your phone game should be so TIGHT, that if you get a # close within 30 seconds and she is drunk and doesn't remember you, you should be able to turn a WEAK # close into a day 2. It's possible and I'm sure TD and other top PUA's can do it. Otherwise, if you have a solid # close from when you gamed her, your phone game could SUCK and you could still get the day 2. Either way, phone game is useful to have.

Also, another thing I use is anti-flake on the phone. This is from David D». Say, "okay, so on a scale of 1-10, what're the chances that you're going to show up and not flake out? I have a pet peeve of people who don't do what they say they're going to do." Make them say it's a 10.

Also, I don't leave messages and I always block my #.

And, TD also says you can never next a girl until you've fucked her. Don't next girls... instead frame it as, "hey, I'm going to use this as a social experiment and see what happens."

Good luck and I hope this helped.

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JohnHenson  wrote

In my experience, the phone game will not make you, but it can break you. If you didn't SOI before you got her number, you're leaving a lot of things up in the air.

My callback rate went up about 1549% when I started SOI'ing before trying to get a number. Once she knows and has complicitly accepted that the relationship has a sexual component, she's a lot more likely to return the call. You're no longer one of those grey-area guys.

Add SOI's to your game pre-#close. Then when you call her up, you can be eating (I'm always eating when I do a phone call) and spend as much time in rapport as you want. Being good on the phone once she knows its sexual is a huge comfort-building step.