Getting Away with Overuse of C&F or Stacking

(Disguising Vibe Drops)

If you have been stacking or using too much C&F, just say "My friends and I are going to sit over there/venue change/whatever, would you like to join us?"

Then immediately just start asking her questions about herself as you walk, and continue that.

What this does is resets the counter back to zero. You retain your value, but get out of the conversational rut, where the energy level is so high that it can't be maintained. The problem with using too much high octane stuff is that the sudden energy level drop in the vibe fucks up the set. But if you move, then it is reset to zero. Likewise, if you start making out, it is reset to zero, because the state change is gradual enough to go over fine.

While this is not ideal, nor my aim when I enter a set, I've made it work quite well countless times. The vibe is almost like "OK, here I am, I've conveyed some value, now let's get to know eachother." When you say "Would you like to join us?", she's thinking like "Well, this guy is a great story teller and he's cool and not needy, so yeah, I'd like to get to know this guy a bit better."

What you're doing is basically creating a concession ladder. In her mind, she goes "Does he have the value for me to move with him? Yes." This is before she's had a chance to think about any vibe drop. Then when you start asking her questions, her concession stream goes "Well, he's good enough to sit down with, he's good enough to answer all his questions." Moreover, when you shift to some questions instead of pure stacking (which might have some illusionary input questions, but they still hold the vibe up), and do it as you venue change her, the vibe changes while you're moving her (because of the environment change) which avoids the sudden vibe crash that would occur if you're just sitting there.

I disagree with the idea of formulaic C&F usage, like "Use it for a minute and then go to rapport". That sucks. C&F doesn't mean that you bust-bust-bust. That is one form of C&F, and it works phenomenally on a certain profile of girl. However, that is not a blanket M.O. for all girls. C&F is not formulaic busting. It is a general frame that communicates that you are a cool dude, and that you have a sense of humour. You know how to joke about it, in a way that while teasing people, makes them like you more. You can bust on anyone like they are your best friend, and be blunt with them, and open with them, and cool with them.

You are like the shepard who takes care of people. You elicit warm feelings from people with teasing, amongst other things. You are not Triumph the Insult Comic Dog. The guys who use C&F formulaically are using the Truimph-brand C&F, not the naturals brand of C&F. Naturals do not have problems with C&F overusage, because they are calibrated, so no formula exists for them.

I live with a natural who has slept with around 100 girls, and I hang out with naturals as friends. All of the best naturals that I know have wicked senses of humour. I can't see dropping this entirely and still doing as well. It conveys huge amounts of value.

That said, you *can* do a pickup with almost pure rapport, if you have high value behaviour patterns, like frame control, a good voice, good eye contact, and a good vibe. Btw, these are very basic things, and I've never in my experience seen any fabled "super eye contact" like I've read guys here talking about. Just maintain eye contact. To do this, you have to be well dressed and you be a cool guy. If you are not one of the guys who is regarded as cool with almost everyone you meet, then this will be more difficult.

So the point is that guys who have good social calibration know when the vibe calls for some C&F humour, and when its uncalled for. A good time to use some C&F is like when a girl does something that you could misinterpret as being silly. You just pause and look at her like she's retarded, or make a C&F comment. Then she'll explode laughing (she'll love you), and then you smile and touch her. That is calibrated push/pull, and it is not something that you only do in the first minute. It is also not something that you can't do if you did a direct opener. You can ALWAYS do this in this situation, because it is called for. However - when it is uncalled for and you do it anyway, that is what is called "qualifying yourself" or "being uncomfortable with yourself" or "reaction-seeking".