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On Direct Game

author:          "Juggler"
date:             Fri 10 Nov 2003 18:38 GMT
website:       www.charismarts.com
subject:        On Direct Game...Sometimes I find myself in a position where the girls are pissed off in the set. It's usually either because I accidentally took something too far, or more often ...

Someone forwarded me an email with a post about C&F and direct game, and was curious as to my feedback on it. Direct game, being like the "I want to meet you" type stuff.

As I've mentioned before, because girls don't really hear the words in a sentence so much as the subcommunication and emotion behind it, I personally don't find there to be any difference between a "direct" or "indirect" set. I consider the distinction "natural" style or "structured" style, because the give and take conversational ratios will differ between the different styles. With a natural style, you will have the girl less REACTIVE and more CONTRIBUTIVE to the conversation. At the same time, she will not be so heavily in state as with stacked/structured game, so depending on the girl you decide how you want to play it. So long as you aren't communicating lower value, it doesn't matter how you open. I just think whatever is most efficient to get you into an interaction is best, and whatever guys want to say is fine. There may be some differing opinions on this though. I've heard some good points about girls finding this approach refreshing because you aren't excusing yourself. I think that's fair, especially if YOU YOURSELF are convinced of that, and going in that way will make you feel more confident. Really, I think that it is in the subcommunication and making a big deal out of the words is putting the emphasis of the pick up on the wrong place. Still, FEELING congruent to what you are doing is crucial to the subcommunication that you are putting out there. So if a guy feels better about using a natural style, then the benefit that he'll derive from it will outweigh the downsides of lacking structure. This is all personality dependent, but above all I would encourage guys who enjoy pickup to field test everything and not to write-off anything that you read until you have tested it for yourself. Even the process of testing something that fails is edifying.

Now on a natural style set, you will see the girl busting her ass to try to impress you, which is something that she does as a way of living up to the first impression that you had of her. So essentially, this goes back to the "One game: Higher Value" post that I did a year and a half ago. What I basically said in that post was that so long as you have higher value, your style does not matter. The point is that you are clearly cooler than her, and she knows it. If you know how to escalate, she will not resist it, because you are cooler than her, etc etc..

So of course in a natural style set, there is the issue that if you say something like "Can you cook?" or "Are you rich?" this can fuck up the vibe of the conversation. Essentially, you have gone in there with an opener that is generating an almost romantic vibe, and you're throwing a monkey-wrench into the gears by now all of a sudden busting on her. It makes you look insecure as well as socially/emotionally unintelligent or unaware. It's like there is a vibe in the convo, and you're being OUTCOME DEPENDENT by wanting to generate even MORE attraction by busting on her. Instead, the idea is that she is supposed to be qualifying herself to YOU. She can sense this subconsciously, and it mucks up the set. Now that said, I will still use properly applied C&F in a natural style approach. The types I'll use are the ones that are mostly PLAYFUL, as opposed to the ones that are DISAPPROVING.

Some of those are:

-Future Adventures Projections

-Conspiracies

-Cute pimp talk or funny accents or playful inneudo -cold reads

-C&F remarks about other people in the club -TONS of misinterpretation

-C&F alpha kino, like piggy-backing her, etc

The ones I DO NOT use are (or at least a lot less often, but I calibrate):

-busting on her

-accusations

-disqualifier push/pull

This goes as well for phone calls. The split second you phone a girl, it becomes "direct" game essentially. How could it not be? In the same way that when a girl phones you, you know that she wants you, she knows the same of you to some extent.

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