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Girls Lie All The Time

LOL.. Yes, girls are pathological liars. I could never lie as well as girls can.

It's easy to blame this on girls, but in fact we are all human and we're all on the same team. Like, let's never forget that even though our gender is different, we're still on the same team and have the human race's evolution in best interest.. :)

So why do girls do this? Because guys put them in a position where they have no choice, on a daily basis. So if guys weren't making them uncomfortable all the time, this wouldn't become learned behaviour.

But in the same way that a drug addict runs out of money, and borrow from his friend with full intention of paying it back, and then does so with all his other friends, and then resorts to stealing eventually (again, with *full* intention of putting the money back later on, even though it never happens), they go down a slippery slope of just getting used to lying, and becoming good at it. So they can lie with the same proficiency as street scum.. (j/k)

Guys reading this post who do not have the field experience will think its an exaggeration, but this is very accurate. And its not just club girls. It's all girls.

I love seeing girls lying for each other, because they do that as an autopilot response too. Like call up a girl you've seen every day for a week, and say her friend is over. Ask your GF to put her friend on the line. Then say to her friend "Hey, I like your friend, but she's been busy all week. She's so flakey. Tell her to hang with me." (even though you hung out every day all week). The friend will say "She's really busy right now. She was helping me move all week" (or some variation). Then you can laugh at them and say "haha, I was with her all week, you just lied". And then she'll deny it. She'll say "No I didn't." - even though she did. Then if you make her admit it, she'll hate you for life.

The level of lying they can do is SCARY. And for me, I can read a lie from a girl now. I'm like the kid from 6th Sense - "I see dead people". And its hard for me to hold a relationship now, because I can read the lies so clearly. The girls can't conceive of a guy with a lie detector like I have, because they would never figure the background I have with social interaction (I only learned this because I've done thousands of pickups). So its hard for me to feel trust or love anymore. I have a girlfriend right now that I was in love with, but because she broke my trust a few times, I lost my a lot of my feelings for her. Then when I visited, I just wanted sex because I didn't really like her company like I used to. She could tell, and felt like I was using her and then denied me sex. I think she went to her boyfriend's house during the day and fucked him, and that's why she didn't want it. And YET, this may not be true. And its only because *I* have been the guy who the girls have ditched their BFs during the day to go fuck so many times, that I have this projection. I dumped her on the spot for not wanting to have sex. Not because I cared about the sex, but because I thought "Things are too fucked up now. Time to move on." I'm going to fly by her town and visit her for a night when I fly back to Canada, to see if she'll take initiative to do anything about it.

And yet, nothing in our relationship is really bad. I just have all these fucked up projections that I've gotten, because I've seen too much shit. Obviously this is something I'm going to have to get past if I ever want a relationship, and I'll have to tolerate lying and not bringing it up that I know. Because the lies that these girls tell, even THEY don't know they're doing it. Like this is literally pathological. If you call them on it, its like a glitch in their brain hits, they can't compute it, and their hard drive crashes. It's fucking weird to see.

One of my favourite things to do on workshop is to bait girls to lie in front of the guys with me. Like I'll say "Watch this", and then I'll get them to blatantly lie to me. Then I'll prove they're lying, and the guys are jaw dropped. They'll email me months later saying it sent chills down their spine how the girls could do that, and how they can recognize it now. It's so fucked up.

It makes me sad sometimes, because I came into the game just wishing I could find a girl that I liked and who liked me, so we could hang out and have all the benefits of healthy human touch/contact, etc.. And if I address this with the girls I'm seeing, they'll say bullshit like "I'm not like that.. I know what you mean, but that's not me.." And I'll want to believe it, because I want a girlfriend so badly (a girl that *I* think is my girlfriend, not just some hottie I'm telling that to in order to hook up with her more). But then I'll catch them in the same bullshit. And guys will say to me "My girl isn't like that.. You just need to meet the right girl." And then I'll meet their girlfriend and she'll hit on me@!

Oh well.. You can't have everything! :)

By Tyler Durden

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 On 2/6/04 6:42:00 AM, Mystery wrote:
>without attraction you cannot
>isolate. the theory is absurd.
>(but it was a good exercise
>for me in thinking it through
>just in case.)
>
>Mystery
LOL.. OK, think it over this way though. This is something that’s been on my
mind alot, for some time now and I haven’t posted about it because nobody seems
to understand what I’m talking about. I’ll try anyway though, while we’re on
the topic.
Alright - when we run game you see the girls’ buying temperature pumping up.
You use more intrigue (usually DHVs) combined with negs (including active
ignorance). This gets the girl attracted fast. Really fucking fast.
That provides you with a window, that will garner her attention for a while.
Long enough usually to build comfort or at least to rapidly qualify and bridge
so that you can build comfort on the telephone.
Now our problem as guys is this: If you think to how YOU feel, at times when
you’re sleeping with 5 different hot girls at once (5 LTRs I mean, not a 5some
which would be cool too, but that’s another issue). Notice that if a girl who
you just met calls you, you may often feel that you can’t be bothered to pursue
it? Like, I remember having a few LTRs going on, and I just started giving the
HBs that I met MY number, because I knew that I wouldn’t be motivated to phone
them. So 2 of them actually called me in one week. Several times, too. I was
actually pretty impressed with myself, because they were obviously rock solid
pickups.
Anyway, I didn’t bother meeting up with either girls. The reason why wasn’t
that I wasn’t attracted to them, but rather that I was just feeling so
validated by the other girls that I couldn’t have been bothered to go out of my
way in the slightest to go meet up with these girls. I knew they were
attractive girls, but because I felt so validated from my LTRs that I just
didn’t FEEL attraction for them on an emotional level anymore, although I did
at the time of the pickup. On an emotional/physical level, that would be like
eating a buffet, and then driving 45 minutes across town to the Pizza Hut.
Aside from the ASF-indoctrinated "sarge sarge sarge" mentality, I really would
have no reason to be bothered. So I wind up flaking, unless they FORCE me into
a corner (ie: I hate the phone, I’m going to stop by for 10 minutes). From
there they have a chance with me, but they’re not going to get it by leaving

messages and acting all "If you don’t get with the program I’m NEXT’ing you",
because I just won’t give a fuck given how validated I already am.
That’s the thing with girls. They feel strong emotion at the time of the
actual pickup, but because they are so validated (most hot girls are getting
laid, and even for the ones who aren’t, its more about the validation of guys
wanting them than getting actual dick, whereas for guys we need to actually get
laid usually to feel that validation). So the girls just don’t feel the
attraction post pickup. They feel it in the MOMENT because we neg them, which
combined with the DHVs and resulting social proof making us look cool, the negs
are coming from a cool guy that they would WANT validation from.
So this buys us a temporary window of attraction, that as said "Is necessary
for isolation". But really, by the time we phone, they’ve often lost the
emotion of attraction. We may get them to meet up, but notice that its usually
based on other factors. Like maybe you have a good BAIT to get them to come
out (access to a hot spot, potential of furthering their career, a mansion, a
party, cool friends, a pickup workshop, or just a fun idea), or they just moved
into town and don’t have many friends yet, or they happened to just break up
with their boyfriend or are thinking about it, or you just fucking corner them
based on consistency. Sometimes they’re actually looking for a guy, so they
come out too.
These are contingencies though, that don’t necessarily depend on how
true-to-form you ran your set. You could have run a *perfect* set, and gotten
full attraction, comfort, and even friendship. But she may still flake down
the line. And its unrelated to attraction.


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